episode 281 | Mar 27, 2026 | 91min

Lessons From a Country at War

In this deeply human conversation with Elena Tochilina, Vytautas Buciunas and Dana Carman we dive into what life in Ukraine is like in the midst of war, reflecting on the profound human impact of conflict and the resilience that emerges when spirituality, nervous system awareness, and inner work are tested by reality.
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In this podcast we talk about:

04:00 Introducing Elena, Vitas and Dana
08:30 What brought them together
13:00 Life in Ukraine at the moment
19:30 The human impact of war
25:20 Resilience in action
32:00 The privilege of inner work
38:30 When the spiritual rubber meets the road
43:00 A reinvention of spirituality
49:00 The call to deeper self-care
54:00 A return to basics
59:00 Polyvagal theory in a warzone
1:05:00 Adapting consciousness to context
1:11:30 A few invitations for coaches
1:16:00 Nervous system care & spiritual connection
1:21:00 Love is not enough

Resources Mentioned:
Wilber’s quadrants
Integral zen
Polyvagal theory
Cynefin Framework

Feel Called to Support/Donate?
“Paravolan Ukraine” are our friends who are doing amazing work in inhumane conditions evacuating wounded soldiers from the frontline:
https://www.paravolanua.com/eng

“Come Back Alive” is one of the most respected and transparent large charitable foundations in Ukraine:
https://savelife.in.ua/en/

https://12vartovykh.com/en/ is an organization that saves resues and evacuates animals and quite often people too from the frontlines cities that are being swallowed by the war. I know them personally and they are doing breathtakingly hard work.

https://vovchok.com.ua/2024/07/31/civil-protection-faculty/ I mentioned folkbildung as one of the areas of my work. Vovchok folk high school is an applied representation of that Scandinavian philosophy of adult development which re-oriented to trainings for civil society in demining, civil proteciton, resilience trainings in the times of war.

About the Guests

Dana Carman

Dana Carman is an expert in human and organizational transformation who has spent more than four decades advising leaders of over 200 visionary organizations across five continents. Since 1984, he has worked as a senior advisor, consultant, and executive coach to multinational companies, healthcare systems, governments, and NGOs committed to creating meaningful global impact. Bringing an Integral Whole Systems approach to complex change, Dana is often engaged when the stakes of a strategic initiative are exceptionally high. His work consistently supports organizations in achieving breakthrough results while cultivating cultures of greater agility, resilience, and trust.

WEBSITE
https://danacarmanintegral.com
https://www.wayfindinghorizons.com/

Elena Tochilina

Elena Tochilina bridges developmental, somatic, and leadership coaching with a deep curiosity about human systems and learning. She is a facilitator of sense-making and an enthusiast of adult development. Her work spans life and leadership coaching, organizational development, and communications and marketing coaching. Elena weaves complexity and adult development into organizational practice alongside classical tools and approaches. Her marketing coaching draws on years of experience and deep listening to help clients go beneath the surface of what they create and discover a voice that is both deeply authentic and meaningfully shareable.

WEBSITE
https://www.cultivatingleadership.com/team-member/elena-tochilina

Vytautas Buciunas

Vytautas Buciunas is an Integral Master Coachâ„¢, leadership development facilitator, and organizational consultant who works primarily with business leaders and executives navigating complexity, responsibility, and inner transformation. After two decades in senior leadership roles in banking across Eastern Europe, he now supports leaders, teams, and organizations in developing more self-aware, mature, and embodied ways of leading. For the past 11 years, he has chosen to live and work in Ukraine during the war, where the illusion of comfort and security falls away, and leadership becomes more raw, honest, and existential. This experience has sharpened his interest in the deeper drivers of human behavior, particularly the polarity of fear and courage, and how it shapes the way leaders show up.

WEBSITE
https://buciunas.com

About the Host

Joel Monk

Joel Monk is a leadership coach, educator and entrepreneur. He co-founded Coaches Rising, a company on the cutting edge of online coach training with a community of over 65,000 coaches. Coaches Rising programs regularly include participants from every continent on the planet and they have collaborated with some of the leading minds in the field of human development and coaching. Joel is also a leadership coach, coaching at companies such as THNK, Booking.com, Siemens and Naspers. Joel has designed and led several entrepreneurial and leadership development programs, at places such as Socionext, THNK and The Impact Hub Amsterdam.

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