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Episode 208

Beyond Coaching: Mastery versus Maturity

In this conversation with David Drake we explore the distinction between mastery and maturity, between having more knowledge and fostering the ability to be deeply present and in service to the moment and the person in front of you.

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In this podcast we talk about:

05:00 Allowing spontaneity
09:00 The evolution of coaching
17:00 The place of Aha moments
25:00 Coach as choreographer
31:30 Expanding the concept of coaching
39:00 Contextualizing behavior
47:00 Being a steward of the moment
52:30 Mastery versus maturity
1:03:30 Initiation and release
1:08:30 Masterful coaches

Resources Mentioned:
John Whitmore
Timothy Gallwey
Peter Limberg
Peter Hawkins
Zen and the art of motorcycle maintenance, by Robert M Pirsig
Fried Green Tomatoes at the Whistle Stop Cafe

About David

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David Drake

David B Drake, PhD, is the founder and CEO of the Moment Institute in the San Francisco Bay Area, whose mission is to reinvent learning & development for practitioners and clients to better meet the challenges of our time. He pioneered the field of Narrative Coaching, and he has taught coaching skills to over 10,000 leaders, managers, and professionals. He is the author of over fifty publications on narratives and coaching, including his book “Narrative Coaching; The definitive guide to bringing new stories to life”, co-editor of the SAGE Handbook of Coaching (2016) and a thought leader for the Institute of Coaching at Harvard.

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