episode 278 | Mar 6, 2026 | 76min

Leading in Chaos

In this conversation with Nicholas Janni and Amy Elizabeth Fox, we discuss some of the core topics of their new book, “Leading in Chaos”. We explore what it means to lead in chaotic times — returning from exile, cultivating the frequency of hope, and learning how to bring real change into organizations. We move through awareness practices, enabling meaningful conversations, directive versus facilitative coaching, and the deeper invitation to embrace the role of teacher and to be a blessing in the world.
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In this podcast we talk about:

03:30 Returning from exile
09:30 Supporting leaders in these times
12:00 The frequency of hope
17:45 Introducing change to organizations
24:00 The journey of leading in chaos
30:30 Connecting to reality and the eternal
35:30 A powerful awareness practice
40:30 Having meaningful conversations
44:00 Embracing the role of teacher
49:00 Directive coaching versus facilitative coaching
54:30 Trauma-informed versus trauma-restorative
1:01:00 The value of coaching retreats
1:06:30 To be a blessing field

Resources Mentioned:
Leading in chaos, by Nicholas Janni and Amy Elizabeth Fox
Vaclaf Havel 
Rumi 
Thomas Huebl
Sweet honey in the rock

About the Guests

Amy Elizabeth Fox

Amy Elizabeth Fox

Amy Elizabeth Fox is a senior leadership strategist with experience consulting to senior leadership on issues related to human capital, organizational health and leadership development. She is the Chief Executive Officer of Mobius Executive Leadership, a premier leadership development firm with offices in Boston and London. Over the past decade and a half she has spoken at numerous national industry gatherings and led workshops for corporate executives across the country. Amy is also psychotherapist and an executive coach.

WEBSITE
https://www.mobiusleadership.com/

Nicholas Janni

Nicholas Janni

Nicholas Janni has spent 30 years researching ‘the zone’ of peak performance and studying multiple mind/body disciplines. Over the last 15 years he has gained an international reputation for his transformational coaching and leadership development seminars. He works with CEO’s and senior leadership teams worldwide, is a former Associate Fellow at The University of Oxford Said Business School and teaches regularly at the IMD in Lausanne.

WEBSITE
https://www.nicholasjanni.com/https://www.thematrixdevelopment.com/Nicholas’ upcoming course

About the Host

Joel Monk

Joel Monk is a leadership coach, educator and entrepreneur. He co-founded Coaches Rising, a company on the cutting edge of online coach training with a community of over 65,000 coaches. Coaches Rising programs regularly include participants from every continent on the planet and they have collaborated with some of the leading minds in the field of human development and coaching. Joel is also a leadership coach, coaching at companies such as THNK, Booking.com, Siemens and Naspers. Joel has designed and led several entrepreneurial and leadership development programs, at places such as Socionext, THNK and The Impact Hub Amsterdam.

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