episode 291 | Jun 3, 2026 | 84min

Exploring Love, Power and Justice

In this episode we speak with Adam Kahane and Jennifer Garvey Berger about the enduring tension between love and power, and how this cultural moment is inviting us into a deeper understanding of justice, interdependence, and collective flourishing. Together, we explore how individual and collective development, nervous system resilience, and an expanded sense of kinship can help us move beyond fragmentation and into new ways of being and belonging in a rapidly changing world.
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In this podcast we talk about:

00:00 The age-old battle between love and power
06:30 Falling apart and coming back together
14:00 Balancing and integrating love and power
22:00 Internal capacity and external structure
30:00 The nervous system and behavioural regression
36:00 The conflict between power and love
44:00 Evolving our concept of justice
50:00 Safeguarding the “We” as well as the “I”
58:30 The third dimension of Kin
1:07:30 Interdependence and kinship
1:14:30 The invitation of this cultural moment

Resources Mentioned:

Recline Podcast
Power and love, by Adam Kahane
Otto Scharmer 
Paul Tillich
The Big Lebowski
Barry Johnson
Bill Torbert
James Hillman
Lydia Polgreen
Heidi Brooks
John Gottman
Moral Man and Immoral Society, by Reinhold Niebuhr
Everyday Habits for Transforming Systems, by Adam Kahane
Collaborating with the Enemy, by Adam Kahane

About the Guests

Adam Kahane

Adam Kahane is a Director at Reos Partners, a global social impact company dedicated to advancing sustainable and equitable solutions to some of the world's most complex challenges. An internationally renowned facilitator, he designs and leads multi-stakeholder processes that bring together leaders from business, government, and civil society to navigate conflict, build collaboration, and create meaningful change. Over the course of his career, Adam has worked in more than fifty countries with a diverse range of stakeholders, including political leaders, community activists, trade unionists, United Nations officials, clergy, and artists. He is the best-selling author of six books, a Member of the Order of Canada, and was named a Schwab Foundation Social Innovation Thought Leader of the Year at the World Economic Forum in 2022.

WEBSITE
https://reospartners.com

Jennifer Garvey Berger

Jennifer Garvey Berger

Jennifer Garvey Berger helps individuals and teams to transform themselves and their organizations, to see bigger perspectives, to think in more creative ways, and to collaborate effectively. With her partners at Cultivating Leadership, Jennifer runs transformational leadership programs and supports organizations to use their leaders (and leadership development) to encourage and support whole-of-organization change.

https://themeadow.space/
www.cultivatingleadership.co.nz

About the Host

Joel Monk

Joel Monk is a leadership coach, educator and entrepreneur. He co-founded Coaches Rising, a company on the cutting edge of online coach training with a community of over 65,000 coaches. Coaches Rising programs regularly include participants from every continent on the planet and they have collaborated with some of the leading minds in the field of human development and coaching. Joel is also a leadership coach, coaching at companies such as THNK, Booking.com, Siemens and Naspers. Joel has designed and led several entrepreneurial and leadership development programs, at places such as Socionext, THNK and The Impact Hub Amsterdam.

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