episode 255 | Sep 12, 2025 | 79min

NARM therapy

In this conversation with Dr. Laurence Heller we explore the fundamental therapeutic orientation of NARM therapy, how disconnection drives survival strategies, integrating NARM with coaching, universal principles in NARM, and expanding our spiritual capacities.
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In this podcast we talk about:

04:00 The assumption of inherent aliveness
10:30 The orientation towards performance
13:30 Barriers towards aliveness
18:30 How disconnection drives survival strategies
27:30 Integrating NARM with coaching
33:15 Releasing the self-improvement paradigm
37:00 Universal principles in NARM
45:00 The principles of agency & embodiment
53:30 Deconstruction & integration
1:00:30 Releasing identifications
1:05:30 Expanding spiritual capacities
1:09:00 Transformation of the heart

Resources Mentioned:
Internal Family Systems
Dan Siegel
Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi
Rumi

About the Guest

Laurence Heller

Laurence Heller, PhD, holds a doctorate in clinical psychology and is the creator of the NeuroAffective Relational Model® (NARM®), which is taught throughout the world. He is the author of four books, including his groundbreaking book, "Healing Developmental Trauma”. He is the Founder & Director of the NARM Training Institute and teaches throughout the US and Europe. Dr. Heller has conducted NARM trainings and case consultations for thousands of therapists throughout the United States and Europe. His recent work addresses societal and cultural dimensions of trauma, with his latest book, "The Practical Guide for Healing Developmental Trauma," providing accessible tools for clinicians and individuals. Through the NARM Training Institute, he trains the next generation of trauma-informed practitioners.

WEBSITE
https://drlaurenceheller.com 
https://narmtraining.com

About the Host

Joel Monk

Joel Monk is a leadership coach, educator and entrepreneur. He co-founded Coaches Rising, a company on the cutting edge of online coach training with a community of over 65,000 coaches. Coaches Rising programs regularly include participants from every continent on the planet and they have collaborated with some of the leading minds in the field of human development and coaching. Joel is also a leadership coach, coaching at companies such as THNK, Booking.com, Siemens and Naspers. Joel has designed and led several entrepreneurial and leadership development programs, at places such as Socionext, THNK and The Impact Hub Amsterdam.

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